Firstly, please know that by writing this I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination, and what I’ve covered below only touches on the main issues I’ve experienced to date. Hopefully, though, someone out there benefits from some of this as I know first-hand how perilously close to the edge one is pushed when sleep doesn’t frequent…
Regular Day Naps
I’m a big fan of babies having regular naps in their bed. I’ve never found Audrey slept well in a carseat or buggy, and pretty much since birth I’ve been quite strict on her daytime naps to the point of being a reclusive homebody a lot of the time. Hey, I sew, I don't need company!
With Audrey being an early waker (something I’m working on), her first nap of the day is around 7.30 – 8am, and she sleeps for around 2.5 hours. She is then up for two-ish hours, with her next sleep starting around 12.-12.30pm. She then sleeps for another 2-2.5 hrs. When she wakes at around 2.30-3pm she’s then up until bedtime, which for her is now 5pm.
Self-Settling
This is basically the ability of the child to fall asleep unaided – ideally no dummy, music, feeds, rocking, etc. If they need help to fall asleep at bedtime then they’re gonna need it at 2am too. I’ve just kicked the nursing to sleep habit. I thought I was putting her down awake, but in hindsight maybe she was in too much of a drowsy state even though her eyes were open. Now I try to finish a feed at least 5-10 minutes prior to bedtime. On those occasions where I don’t have time, then after her feed I walk around briefly, sometimes out into the light, and then put her to bed. She’s sufficiently awake yet settled.
I read that once your baby masters self-settling you may have a tot that sleeps through the night within two weeks. Woohoo!! This works for most, but not all, babies. Though if your baby has been waking frequently during the night, you’d hopefully see a big reduction in that respect as they’ll be able to put themselves back to sleep without the rocking, nursing, music, etc…
Getting the bedtime at the right time
Of all the books I’ve read, 7pm is touted as the ideal bedtime (though they do say anytime between 6-8pm is the norm). Well it turns out Audrey’s ideal time to go to bed – that is, no fussing, and the onset of tired signs - is 5pm. Yes, 5pm. Sounds ridiculously early doesn’t it. I remember in the early months I put her down for a late sleep at close to 5pm, and she was still sound asleep at 10.30pm – I was busy fretting whether to wake her for a feed or not. She’d never slept this long! For some reason I abandoned the 5pm bedtime, and tried for a later time, but only since I’ve started this again has she been more settled and gone to sleep without a fuss.
Books say to shift the bedtime slightly earlier each night until you achieve a relatively fuss-free bedtime. Tonight she went down at 5pm, and woke at 8pm for a feed. I treat that as a tanking-up feed, and so long as she feeds well (and doesn’t dither) and goes straight back to sleep I am fine with that.
Early Wakers
I think often parents believe if their child wakes up too early in the morning, then logically if they want them to sleep later they then put them to bed later. But no, apparently the answer is more biological rather than logical – trying an earlier bedtime should in fact (in time) encourage them to wake up later in the morning. Many books swear by this.
Lately, Audrey has been waking sometimes as early as 5.15am. The culprit could be the surprise she has for me in her nappy, though after changing her I never even considered trying to resettle her until I read it. If she does this now, I do the job and then put her back in her cot until 6am. We then get up. I read that by feeding your baby at that time, they come to expect it and it can then even cause them to wake earlier. Heaven forbid!
Lucy often wakes around 6am too (sometimes the scary side of 6am), and this one book suggested for early waking toddlers setting a nightlight to come on at a respectable waking hour by way of a timer. Even if they’re playing in their room, they perhaps might continue playing rather than trotting out of their room and waking up the household. I had considered an alarm clock for Lucy, but then thought what if she sleeps later than the alarm? I quite fancy the night light-on-a-timer idea.
And some random tidbits of advice for you to take or leave (as is the case regarding anything within this post):
Don’t be afraid to try something different if something’s not working. One author likened baby sleep to a jigsaw - you have to look at it as a whole (day naps, feeds, bedtime, etc). I think by changing one element though there is a ripple effect, e.g. simply by moving Audrey's bedtime earlier she sleeps much more soundly, and doesn't go to bed fussing.
When you do try something different, stick at it for four days and then assess.
Trust your instincts – you know your baby best.
Be patient.
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Best of luck!
Thanks for this. My little girl is 9 months and still does not sleep through the night. I don't see it as a huge problem but of course I wonder why. She sleeps fine from 7pm until midnight but is then hard to put back if she is no nursed back to sleep. she usually wakes 2-3 times at night but only for a few minutes, She naps well, but only in her buggy. She won't sleep in her bed at daytime which I always found odd. When she was younger I could put her to bed awake and she'd find sleep on her own, but now that rarely happens. Thanks for your tips. i hope that eventually she'll be able to sleep through the night.
ReplyDeletethe self settling is the thing that leon has never done. i'm always there to either rub his back, or more typically, nurse him. i've tried nursing him until he's drowsy, and then walked him around for a few minutes before putting him down. he immediately starts screaming. i don't even know what self-settling looks like.
ReplyDeletemaybe it's time to start shifting bedtime earlier? the hard thing is, his sleepy signals seem to be erratic. he'll wake up, ten minutes later rub his eyes, an hour or so more, ear and hair pulling but actively engaged with the toys, an hour more, eye rubbing, cranky, but still grabbing for toys, eyes are bright, and then 20 minutes and he begins screaming. i've tried putting him to sleep at all of these various points, to no avail.
i feel like maybe he's just a really intense and stubborn baby who doesn't want to give up wakefulness (and playing) until the bitter end.
any thoughts? i know him best, but at the same time, i feel like i don't know him at all. it's really hard.
all of your advice makes sense, but every time i try something like this, it doesn't work.
Sound so simple when it is all written down in one place. Day time naps in their own beds is a god send. My son was awful to get to sleep. It would take us anywhere up to an hour to get him to sleep and then he would only stay asleep for 20 minutes. If we have another we will definatley be having daytime naps in their own bed.
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Strangely, the thing I found most comforting about your post was the fact that I wasn't the only mom who insisted on having her child nap in the day. I have friends who bring their kids out all day and they seem fine and happy. But I know my boy, he gets so cranky and yells (more so when he was younger) that going out wasn't fun anyway so I just stayed home. He sleeps earlier (in Singapore, his 9.30pm can be considered early) than his friends as well, so sometimes I feel like I have no life, but I'd rather a happy baby, mother and father than an entire stressed out family.
ReplyDeleteAbout the sleep thing, my boy only started sleeping through the night when he was about 1. Always had to be nursed to sleep. Then when he was 15 months, he started waking more frequently again (once or twice), and it wasn't till 2 weeks ago that he started REALLY sleeping through the night (like 9.30pm- 8am). We're really really happy about it!!
Now I have another challenge, getting him weaned. He only nurses once (and I don't even think there is anything left!) right before he sleeps, he does not go to bed sleepy, he is wide awake, but he just seems to need it. Sigh. Do you have any advice on that? :)
Funny -- I agree with you on the whole "they need to be able to put themselves to sleep" idea - no music, no rocking, door closed, etc. I did this with my first daughter and she was fine until she got to the age where she would literally negotiate with my husband for things (around age 2). Being the sweet, sweet man that he is (I'm the "bad cop" in the family) bedtime rituals now include music, keeping the door open and her bedside lamp on high. My second little girl goes to sleep very nicely. I'm sticking to my guns with her...
ReplyDeletei agree with all of this! I am so thankful that we were so strict with naps and bedtimes, a little lax in the summer but the fall is back and the are back to early to bed. It is such a nice feeling and teaching kids to sleep on their own is such a sanity saver! Sometimes i wish i could watch them fall asleep and just hold them, but i know for us, this is best.
ReplyDeleteWell said catherine!
now, we will see what baby 3 decides to do...
Erica - again, I'm no expert but he sounds as if he's overtired, and possibly in sleep deficit. I think he needs lots more sleep and fast!
ReplyDeleteWhen Audrey wakes up, she's happy and squealing, so I know she's had enough sleep and is ready to rise. Though there have been times when's she has woken grumpy and I know she's woken too early for some reason. If Leon is waking up tired (yawning or fussing), then I hazard a guess he needs more sleep. Whichever way you can get him too. Perhaps once he has more sleep in his 'sleep bank' then sleep training will be more successful. What is his routine like (day naps, nighttime sleep)?
Becky - Lucy is totally doing this now. Another hug! she shrieks, one more book, water, tuck me in - arghhh! We are trying to be firm but nice about it, rather than getting irritated. It's hard though sometimes.
Elisha - a breast is not only for food but for comfort. He obviously relishes this part of bedtime! Does it bother you? If so, perhaps slowly reduce the amount of time he nurses/suckles over a period of time?
M - do you nurse her to sleep at 7pm/bedtime? If so, this will be why she needs your help in the early morning. Perhaps try nursing prior to bedtime, rather than at the actual bedtime.
Good luck!
i just put leon down at 6.30 (30 minutes earlier than before), and he's been up FOUR times in nearly four hours.
ReplyDeletenormally he wakes up around 6.30, plays with matthew for 1-2 hours, comes back to bed for a nap with me around 8. this usually lasts 1-2 hours. i try to put him down for another nap around 1pm. the afternoon is rough, sometimes this nap only lasts 20-30 minutes. if i'm lucky, 1 hour. i try again around 3-3.30pm for another nap, this one tends to be much less successful. and then solids at 5-5.30, a book or two, bath, and then nursing. the crib is attached to our bed, so i usually crawl halfway onto the crib to nurse him to sleep.
i've become paranoid ever since he started crawling toward the edge of the bed (pillow barricades) after a few cries, so i usually go in after 2-3 cries, which may seem premature to some. he just fussed and matthew went in while i've been typing. i don't hear anything, so it sounds like he resettled himself. more often than not he starts screaming for mama.
i agree he has a sleep deficit right now. the only time he wakes up smiling is when he naps for at least an hour. it's just really hard to keep him asleep because he's strung out. hopefully i can figure out a way for him to catch up on sleep. i really do agree that sleep begets sleep. but once the vicious cycle starts, it's really hard for me to break it. trying to get him to self-settle these past few days has been more disruptive than helpful, so i'm going to focus on getting him to sleep anyway i can, and then i'll regroup.
your sleep plan sounds beautiful. maybe someday we'll achieve something similar to it.
Erica, excellent efforts, really. The first thing that came to mind after readng your post is that things sometimes get worse before they get better, hence books saying give it four days.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the wakeful gap between his first and second sleep sounds long-ish? Try the second nap sooner perhaps?
I also read that a late nap can interfere with bedtime, which is why I ditched a late nap a short while back (and why she goes to bed at 5pm).
Maybe first focus on him napping in his cot? It must be nerve wracking worrying whether he is going to roll out of the bed. Also, you can see whether he will self-settle knowing he is safe.
When I am doing it rough with Audrey, I can't help but think of how single mothers handle it. A friend chose to do it on her own, and I often think of her at the crux hour (dinner, bath, etc).
Either way, change is always difficult.
I have used Rescue Remedy on Audrey (and myself) at times. Worth trying too?
It's nice to know I'm not the only one feeling my way through this sleep thing. We have fixed evenings - settling at 7 rather than 10:30 by intermittent calming, now to sort out the little one who only sleeps for half an hour at a time during the day. At least now she has more than one half hour nap.
ReplyDeleteHi Catherine,
ReplyDeletewell... I sometimes want to wean him, just so my body can go back to normal, but I sometimes don't want to let go of that closeness either. Elisha is nearly 20 months, and that one and only feed of the day is just for comfort I suppose. If he does wake in the middle of the night, the only thing that comforts him is the breast. It bothers me a little, but I rather give it to him than hear him yell. These past two days he has been waking up once, about 3 hours after he goes down to bed. Sigh.
Oh yes I have tried reducing his time on the breast, but it doesn't seem to work. The other thing is, I'll be going on holiday in a month and my husband will be home with the bub. I thought it would be good to wean him but I don't think my will is strong enough to do it. I guess he might still want it when I get back.
Jo
today leon napped from 8-9.45 (not bad), and then again at 12.45 for only 30 minutes. i think you're right that he could benefit from an earlier nap, no later than 12.
ReplyDeleteyet again, he's been waking every hour from 6.30pm until midnight, and then 2 hour intervals. yikes.
i'm going to go console myself by looking online at lovely merino wool pjs for leon.
i really am kicking myself for allowing leon to fall into these habits. i wish we had stuck with the crib (intact) instead of branching out to nursing in bed 3 months ago. it's really been downhill since.
Erica - I realised when I got baby sleep books out from the library that so many people are going through the same thing. That actually made me feel better, knowing I wasn't the only one.
ReplyDeleteTry putting Leon down for a sleep sooner like you said (around two hours after waking, maybe even sooner). He was up for three hours between those sleeps you mentioned. Once these day naps get regular the evenings should improve. One book I'm really enjoying at the moment is Sleeping Through the Night, by Jodi A Mintell. It's written in a way that I can relate to.
Jo - Audrey would yell if I wouldn't let her finish a feed too! As for you wanting that moment of togetherness, I can totally understand that. Audrey slept from 5.30pm through to 10pm last night before a feed. Tonight she woke at 8.30pm. So random! I tried to settle her but she wasn't haven't any of that. But early yesterday morning I did cut down the 1.30am feed and for the first time in a long time she had a full feed at breakfast. I felt really happy about that, as before she would feed during the night and come morning would have just a little feed. Hm.
Great post Catherine. I spent almost two years getting up to my baby every couple of hours at night. During the first year I thought it was just for feeds (breast feeding) but as the next year flew by and it was not getting any better I realised there was more to it. Seems my poor little girl was lactose intolerant and as soon as I switched to lactose free milk she has slept beautifully. Yes, I had sought help from professionals but they had no answers. Apparently lactose sensitivity is quite common so I thought I would share my story incase it helps any of your readers. If only babies could talk!
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